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P3ES-2 in large room with small amplifier

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  • P3ES-2 in large room with small amplifier

    Hello folks. I use a pair of P3ES-2 for near-field listening at work - placed on book-shelf 2 or 3 feet from my ears and played at conversation level or a little bit louder, driven by a flea-powered 4W ECL86 SE amp. The tonal quality is beautiful and balanced, without any complaint with the bass reproduction.

    Recently, I moved to a new studio (H2.45m / W4.90m / L6.00m or H8' / W16' / L20') and have to place the P3ES-2 in a more "standard" position. The P2ES-2 was placed 100cm away from the book-shelf-lined back wall (16') and 135cm away from the side-walls (20'), all measurements from the front-centre of the speakers. All walls are untreated and the listening position is at two-third of the length of the studio, approximately 260cm away from the centre of the speakers. The P3s are powered either by a 12W EL84 push-pull amp or a 11W EL34 SE amp. I found the sound produced bright and bass shy, lacking the tonal balance as heard in near-field application.

    Would repositioning of the P3s or replacing the amplifiers bring a fuller sound? Or is the P3s just cannot fill the studio of this size with adequate bass?

    Thanks for any advice.

    {Moderator's comment: 11-12W is woefully underpowered especially for such a room volume and you are sure to be operating them constantly in amp clipping mode (see other threads)}

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    More reverberant energy?

    Indeed, but in addition you could also be hearing far more reflected sound.

    Depending on the furnishing of the room, that may have added to the bright sound.