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    Default Can Harbeth do special veneers?

    A question;

    I bought a pair of P3ESRs in black ash finish for stereo use. Let's say that at one point I'd like to expand to a full Harbeth home theater setup, would I be able, with a certain amount of patience, to order a different model in black ash, even if it's not a standard finish for that model (e.g. the monitor 30)?

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    Default Example of rosewood, Dec. 2011

    Example of rosewood - in this case on M40.1

    Link to thread here.

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    Default Splitting a pair

    Quote Originally Posted by TimVG View Post
    A question;

    I bought a pair of P3ESRs in black ash finish for stereo use. Let's say that at one point I'd like to expand to a full Harbeth home theater setup, would I be able, with a certain amount of patience, to order a different model in black ash, even if it's not a standard finish for that model (e.g. the monitor 30)?
    Could anyone find this out? I'm going to my hifi dealer on friday, and if this is an option I'd like to discuss it with him.. Thanks!

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    Default Special cabinets - the logistics

    Frankly, we are not in a position to negotiate with the cabinet maker over ones and twos in a 'non-standard' veneer. Of course, anything can be done, but at a price. I don't think you'd be willing to pay 50%+ more would you for what on the face of it is 'just' a change of veneer. But once the cabinets are underway, hand picking some nice veneer for just a pair of cabinets isn't a viable proposition at a fair price to you.

    Actually it's a little more complex than this. When we order, say, 100 cabinets of any given veneer, bearing in mind the myriad of problems that can become evident during their production, the cabinet maker will (depending on model and veneer and past experience) veneer-up and turn into cabinets a larger quantity: perhaps 106 or 108 pcs.. That should, in his judgement, cover realistic 'losses' during production. If he's lucky and everything goes well, then maybe we receive 102 or 104 pcs. and I have a policy that we never refuse to accept and pay for perfect cabinets which are, legally, over-deliveries against the original purchase order. Many competitors have hard and fast accounting rules - and 100 ordered must balance against 100 received and not a piece more. This refusal to accept over-runs causes bad feeling with the cabinet maker who has no other outlet for the cabinet. He won't sit on them so they'll be turned into kindling: a straight loss to him.

    So, to be sure that one perfect pair of black cabinets is available for you on the end of a run of another veneer, he may have to make not two but at least four. And then, if they are perfect, we have to buy those cabinets and sit on them perhaps forever.

    I hope this gives you some insight into what is a seemingly trivial issue and why controlling the range of veneers is essential to remaining cost competitive.
    Alan A. Shaw
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    Harbeth Audio UK

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    Default ANother suggestion about single cabinets

    Thanks for explaining that, that makes perfect sense. This would also mean that buying a single speaker to serve as a centre channel would be impossible, right? Unless of course you could use a cabinet whose 'twin' has suffered transit or other damage.

    Would that be a viable option, depending on stock of damaged cabinets of course?

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    Default Differences in (durability of) different veneers

    Ok this is not about how different veneers would sound differently. :-)

    Has anyone done any research on the durability of different veneers? I believe in real sense, we may not see much of a difference but different wood do have their different properties (hardness, density) and will change colour with age or exposed to different humidity or light.

    For example, I have heard of cases where veneers crack over time. I wonder if some veneers are more prone to the others to cracking.

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    Default Veneer choices?

    I saw black color Harbeth speaker. what is the veneer made of? Black Ash? can we ask for polish finishing?

    is wood veneer more costly to manufacture than normal black color finishing?

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    Default English oak

    My preference would be classic English Oak colour, it's neutral and beautifully grained and of course would be perfect coming from the Harbeth factory in a beautiful quintessential English village.

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    Default Tiger Ebony!

    Beautiful Tiger Ebony is the favourite here - probably because my demo SHL5 and M30.1 are in this exotic wood.

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    Default Cherry veneer natural oxidisation

    I have a question I'd be grateful if anyone is able to answer. Since one of my SHL5 plus speakers in cherry veneer is placed in the corner of my room where little direct sunlight is reaching, I'd like to know whether the cherry veneer only oxidises when exposed to direct sunlight or also to indirect sunlight or artificial lighting.

    Does the entire cherry veneer surface oxidises naturally only in well sunlit rooms or also in lower lit rooms, only slower.

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    Default Even out with time

    Yes, under artificial lighting too. I also seen few pairs of cherry finishing front panel color is lighter than the other side because it was always with grille on.

    If you do listen with grille on, try remove the grille, if you can, when not listening to let the front got the chance to oxidise to even out whole cabinet color.
    "Bath in Music"

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    Default Acoustic properties of different woods

    Just because there have been one or two enquiries about possible effects on sound by different veneers, may I offer this insight. As a musician I can tell you that in musical instruments (if nothing else) different woods have a stark influence on the sound of the instrument. For example, my Martin D18 guitar is constructed largely of mahogany, which produces a darker, sweeter tone than its sister, the D28, which is constructed largely of rosewood, itself slightly brighter and crisper. In both cases, like most acoustic guitars, spruce is used for the front piece, being a relatively resonant wood, good for projecting the sound.

    My point is that different woods resonate differently, and so sound different. How this transposes to a cabinet veneer, I couldn't say for sure. Remember, with a guitar, the wood you see is everything, not merely a veneer glued onto a slab of something else. Cheaper guitars ARE made of slices of glued-together wood, i.e. plywood, which doesn't resonate well due to the damping effect of having separate glued slices, and so has much less sustain and a duller sound. In a guitar this is a bad thing; but in a speaker cabinet I guess you want as little sound of the cabinet material as possible, so lower resonance/sustain is a GOOD thing? (Again, I'm no speaker expert, I'm just applying supposed logic.)

    Bottom line: using the plywood-guitar analogy, I would expect the acoustic influence of different glued-on veneers to be minimal. Would love to see some actual measurements and/or blind tests though!

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    Default Lacquer?

    i have always been interested with Black Piano finish lacquer of SHL5.

    May i know are they available?

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