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  • #46
    Thank goodness for the commonwealth

    Originally posted by STHLS5 View Post
    Being a Malaysian, there's hardly an opportunity to know The Queen or the British history
    Think the Malay government likes to feel that it is traumatised by colonialism, but don't realise what they have inherited from the British in terms of government and democracy have held the country together. Without the Commonwealth and the Queen, I would hate to imagine the treatment minorities would get.

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    • #47
      History needs a little research

      Originally posted by STHLS5 View Post
      Being a Malaysian, there's hardly an opportunity to know The Queen or the British history more than what you get over the news.
      Books? Movies? TV? The internet? You do have all those in Malaysia, right?

      I'm really not sure what you intend to say. Even the British don't absorb history through the drinking water, you know: I expect it has to be learned, somehow.

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      • #48
        Do we need a reason to absorb history?

        Originally posted by EricW View Post
        Books? Movies? TV? The internet? You do have all those in Malaysia, right?

        I'm really not sure what you intend to say. Even the British don't absorb history through the drinking water, you know: I expect it has to be learned, somehow.
        And how much you learned about Malaysia's history? Or is there a particular reason for you to do so?

        ST

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        • #49
          Lips tightly sealed

          Originally posted by EricW View Post
          Books? Movies? TV? The internet? You do have all those in Malaysia, right?

          I'm really not sure what you intend to say. Even the British don't absorb history through the drinking water, you know: I expect it has to be learned, somehow.
          The government has actively pursued "localisation", severing as many links with its colonial past as it creatively can. Roads named by British have been replaced. Malaysian history books give little credit to its historical inheritance. Young Malaysians today know very little about its rich past, focussing instead on its "successes" and then the hard days of the mid 90's. Mahatir was interviewed on BBC just last week and he still harps on about how hard done by he was by western market manipulators. He has even made the comment "buy British last" before. The Malay government chooses to blame the west for its ills. So ericw, no there is no press in the peninsular about these topics.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by kittykat View Post
            The government has actively pursued "localisation", severing as many links with its colonial past as it creatively can. Roads named by British have been replaced. Malaysian history books give little credit to its historical inheritance. Young Malaysians today know very little about its rich pas...
            Well, sounds like the timing is perfect for a new sort of creeping, covert 'colonialism' by stealth to move in where the British were nudged out. There is one vital difference though, and it's far more than just symbolic. The British were, and largely still are, Christians. The essence of Christianity is of fairness and justice, a common decency to others, 'do unto others as you would have done to you'. This is so deeply engrained in the Christian upbringing that we're not really conscious of it day to day, but our entire government marches to that single beat. The police don't drag you off into a darkened room for a good thrashing; the tax man sends you nice reminders long before he starts to turn up the temperature; the humble clerk in the lowest position in the civil service performs his duties without favouritism ... and corruption is almost unheard of. I have never seen any evidence of it in my entire adult life - quite the opposite. I recall one snap inspection by a VAT officer who was so straight-laced that he wouldn't even accept a cup of tea for fear of being coerced.

            Of course, there will be plenty of examples (don't bother quoting them) where our colonial needs at the time was oppressive, and freedom curtailed - temporarily. But the British Empire at it's peak, governing a third of humanity was administred by just few thousand British civil servants scattered around the globe, and by countless millions of locals recruited, paid, educated, fed and kept health by the few. That says that we governed with a very light touch, gave tremendous autonomy to the locals once we'd set-up the structures of governance and the whole machine ticked along very nicely for everyones mutual benefit - back to Christainity again.

            One has to look at the big picture. Our legacy in terms of structure, infrastructure and education we gave for free and we left behind freely. None of these things are apparent now the mania (and illusion) of "freedom" has become a global mantra. But mark my words, a new generation of resource-hungry, non-Chritians have their eyes on resource-rich economies. They do not have the natural checks-and-balance restraints that Christians have. Business is business and the human dimension of little consequence. I'm sure prime ministers all around the world would welcome them as great saviours. Indeed why wouldn't they welcome those bearing gifts and promises?

            If I was obliged to live under anyone's thumb, there is not a shadow of a doubt that the most benign would be British rule. Under that, providing I didn't get any insane notions that I had a 'right' to this and that outrageous self-expression I could thrive. I'd be educated and fed. My healthcare would be good. I could do something with my life.
            Alan A. Shaw
            Designer, owner
            Harbeth Audio UK

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            • #51
              "What have the Romans ever done for us?"!

              Originally posted by A.S. View Post

              If I was obliged to live under anyone's thumb, there is not a shadow of a doubt that the most benign would be British rule. Under that, providing I didn't get any insane notions that I had a 'right' to this and that outrageous self-expression I could thrive. I'd be educated and fed. My healthcare would be good. I could do something with my life.
              Or as Monty Python put it in The Life of Brian, in a scene where some Judean would-be revolutionaries are sitting around a table:

              "What have the Romans ever done for us?"

              [a couple of minutes later ...]

              "Well, all right. But apart from sanitation, education, wine, medicine, public order, irrigation, the fresh water system and the roads, what have the Romans ever done for us?"

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              • #52
                We were never actually colonised .... (apparently)

                Originally posted by A.S. View Post
                ... The essence of Christianity is of fairness and justice, a common decency to others, 'do unto others as you would have done to you'. ..
                Of course, there will be plenty of examples (don't bother quoting them) where our colonial needs at the time was oppressive, and freedom curtailed - temporarily. But the British Empire at it's peak, governing a third of humanity was administred by just few thousand British civil servants scattered around the globe, and by countless millions of locals recruited, paid, educated, fed and kept health by the few. That says that we governed with a very light touch, gave tremendous autonomy to the locals once we'd set-up the structures of governance and the whole machine ticked along very nicely for everyones mutual benefit - back to Christainity again.

                ...But mark my words, a new generation of resource-hungry, non-democrats, non-Chritians are worming their way deep into resource-rich economies. And they care not one jot for the locals, only for the mother country. They do not have the natural checks-and-balance restraints that Christians have. It is said that they have a particular distaste for dark skin which cannot be said of the British. Business is business to them, and the human dimension of little consequence. I'm sure prime ministers all around the world are welcoming them with open arms this very minute as the great saviours.
                Well said. The only reason Gandhi's ahimsa succeeded because he was dealing with the British. Christianity influence may have moulded the high values and sense of fair play but I still think it was the nature of the British people that brought the high points of Christianity.

                You are right about the colonization by stealth. But it is happening on two pronged front. US and British are equally guilty for letting it to grow. Not sure I can say more in this forum.

                Ok, now back to The Queen's Diamond Jubilee. Just a reminder to the British and Her Majesty (and Kittykat too), Malaysia was never colonized! Our ex dictator PM Mahathir just said that about a month back. I quote "“We were technically never colonized. What we did was the sultans decided to invite the British to come and advise them on how to administer the country. We were not conquered in that sense" . I am sure you can skip Victoria's exercise for today after rolling on the floor. Would have been a great script for "Yes, Minister" sitcom. Oh..I miss the program.

                ST

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                • #53
                  Congratulations to the Duke and Dutchess of Cambridge ....

                  on the birth of their son today, one day to be our king. News reports here.

                  A healthy, happy and fulfilled life to them all.

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                  • #54
                    The ultimate commitment

                    Originally posted by HUG-1 View Post
                    on the birth of their son today, one day to be our king. News reports here.

                    A healthy, happy and fulfilled life to them all.
                    Indeed. We are extremely lucky here in the UK to have a royal family who are both accessible to the public, deeply involved in 'good works'* and living identifiable modern lifestyles without being showy. In a few words, a lifestyle of service to and for the community.

                    *Can you imagine, that from adulthood, your life as a royal is measured and steered to the minute with negligible free time? It would drive a normal mortal into deep depression having a daily appointment diary filled by officials years ahead. Illness? Days off? Sorry; they're not in the schedule - too many people to disappoint. Royal web site here from which you can read the appointments diary for the Royal Household. It's an inescapable, unasked for, lifetime commitment to public service.

                    Long may it continue. We are all the better for it and that is why we appreciate our royals so much.
                    Alan A. Shaw
                    Designer, owner
                    Harbeth Audio UK

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