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UK's European Union membership referendum 2016 (Brexit).

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  • What could change the dynamics of Brexit vote?

    "We're going to get smashed" - one government insider's apocalyptic prediction about one of the most important votes in recent political history, the big night next Tuesday when MPs give their verdict on the government and the EU's compromise.

    As things stand, MPs are on course to kybosh Theresa May's long-argued-over Brexit deal, with a very heavy defeat.

    Dozens of her own backbenchers have said publicly they will vote against it.

    The opposition parties are adamant they will say "no" too.

    The Tories' supposed partners in government, the DUP, are deeply dug-in to opposing the agreement, for reasons we've discussed plenty of times here.And although there are whispers of compromises that might peel off a few rebels here and there and a handful of switchers - like her former policy chief George Freeman who revealed his change of heart in the Commons and will now back her - there is nothing on the horizon that looks like shifting big numbers.

    The draft script for Tuesday's drama, therefore, outlines a heavy and embarrassing defeat for the prime minister on her central policy, with nothing and no-one seeming to come to her rescue.
    Here.
    Alan A. Shaw
    Designer, owner
    Harbeth Audio UK

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    • Originally posted by Jota180 View Post
      Post Project Fear

      Having lived through the Scottish referendum and 'Project Fear' I fear what we are about to experience will be Project Fear on steroids as both sides down south major on the 'scaring the population' angle. In much the same way as we do with a lot of the HiFi marketing out there, we'll have to pick our way through incredible, unprovable claims to get to the small pockets of considered and rational debate.

      Personally I have no innate fear of 'foreigners' or people moving here for work. In the area I live we've had a few decades of a seasonal influx of farm workers, initially the Poles and more recently Bulgarians and Romanians, all without problem.

      I find those who have an issue with immigration don't appear to have the same issue with emigration. I wonder why that is.
      I had forgotten about this post. I wasn't far off!

      I hadn't reckoned on the absolute complete and utter farce of the conservatives commandeering of the process. They have been shown up at virtually every turn by the EU who have been open and generally professional throughout in contrast to our own government who have spent two years pretending to be hiding several hundred aces up their sleeves.

      Most tories didn't have the first clue how the EU operates, at least that's the impression they've given over the past two years. They still don't seem to know.

      The hilariously Pythonesquesly named 'Department For Exiting The European Union' have out-pythoned Python. From David Davis telling parliament "the government had impact reports that went into excruciating detail" to telling parliament "the government didn't have impact reports going into any detail whatsoever". He later published impact reports copied from Wikipedia by a 14 year old and only let 2 MP's at a time view them for a couple of hours each maximum and they weren't allowed to copy the text in any way whatsoever or tell anyone the contents of what they read.. Monty Pythons funniest joke in the world sketch anyone?

      He spent a grand total of 4 hours meeting with Michel Barnier. The most important time in our country since WWII. He gave it 4 hours.
      To his classic terming of Britains approach to negotiations as being "constructive ambiguity". It's probably the negotiating equivalent of being 'pretend drunk' when you've upset your other half.

      I felt over a year ago May was not going to allow a No Deal brexit. I knew why she couldn't come out at the time and say so - civil unrest, so she pretended to be the Brexit Queen, young and sweet, only seventeen....oh no, that Abba dance routine at the tory conference, "What has been seen cannot be unseen.".

      There was a clear reason May sidelined first Davis and then, Raab C Brexit. A man who lasted a few weeks at the head of the Department for Silly Talks.

      The negotiations have been between May, a few close advisors/cabinet members and the EU. The rest of the cabinet and the silly department have been kept out of the loop.

      So what happens when her 'deal' gets voted down tomorrow? She changed her tune over the last two years from "no deal is better than a bad deal" despite no deal BEING a bad deal, to "No Deal is a catastrophe for the country". That is quite some about turn and it highlights what she will most try to avoid - no deal.

      There are a number of routes out for her. I don't see her just ignoring the original referendum, that would be suicide for her and her party. I don't see her wanting a general election, she messed the last one up when everyone thought she'd stroll it.
      She wont want to let Jeremy Corbyn call a vote of no confidence because, hot on the heels of her deal being voted out and having only three days to submit an alternative to parliament, she'll have a lot of angry tories to add to the opposition parties keen to vote her down.

      I suspect she'll either construct some reasoning to kick the can down the road a little bit further or say this has to be put to the people once more.

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      • Scan from The Independent newspaper 14.1.2019 to follow
        Alan A. Shaw
        Designer, owner
        Harbeth Audio UK

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        • Well, finally we are here. The "Meaningful Vote".

          Crucial day for Brexit: This is what's happening

          With MPs able to cast their first major vote on Theresa May's withdrawal agreement, Sky News unpicks how today will unfold. It's the day of reckoning in Westminster, as MPs prepare to vote on whether to accept or reject Theresa May's Brexit deal...
          Here.

          Brexit deal vote day: May facing huge defeat and vote of no confidence in the government

          Theresa May has urged MPs to take a "second look" at her agreement, despite admitting it was not perfect.Theresa May is heading for a crushing defeat on Brexit vote D-day in the Commons, despite a series of last-minute appeals to rebel Tory MPs to back her EU withdrawal agreement. The latest Sky News analysis suggests the prime minister is facing a loss by a majority of 226 votes - that is based on MPs stating their intentions publicly or to our team.
          That figure comes with caveats - there could well be some abstentions and MPs can change their minds without making it public. A defeat is likely to be followed by Jeremy Corbyn calling a vote of no confidence in the government.
          Mrs May's allies insist that whatever the scale of the defeat she has no intention of quitting or calling a general election, but she will come under enormous pressure to unveil a Brexit Plan B...
          Here.
          Alan A. Shaw
          Designer, owner
          Harbeth Audio UK

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          • Originally posted by A.S. View Post
            Well, finally we are here. The "Meaningful Vote".

            Here.

            Here.
            "Come on, and let me know; should I stay or should I go ...." .

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            • May has met a kind of perfect storm in that different factions in parliament oppose different aspects of her deal for different reasons. This is what made it nigh on impossible for her to broker a deal that a majority could vote for.

              Take the Irish border. One aspect and yet people oppose the deal for different reasons surrounding the border issue. The DUP obviously don't want Northern Ireland to be treated differently to the rest of the UK fearing it makes the breakup of the UK more likely and a united Ireland a step closer.

              The SNP oppose it because, if Northern Ireland have a special arrangement with the EU within the UK, that gives them an enormous advantage in attracting business who wish to be inside the EU, to locate or relocate there from the rest of the UK including Scotland.

              I think the country/politicians have gone about this back to front. They had a referendum, without a plan. They triggered Article 50, without a plan. They spent 2 years negotiating, without a plan and then rock up as near to the deadline as you can get saying "here's our plan, it's not perfect but it's better than a no plan hard brexit".

              If you ran a business or even your home planning/budget like that you would not get far at all.

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              • Originally posted by Jota180 View Post
                If you ran a business or even your home planning/budget like that you would not get far at all.
                And the problem we face, in common with many here, is that we do run a business and we see no reason whatever to disturb the perfectly working systems that allow the free flow of piece parts into the Harbeth factory and complete goods out to our customers.

                Why should we tolerate any impediment to that perfectly working system that I have enjoyed my entire adult life, no matter how small? Because some loud mouth who is not in business and probably couldn't run a business to save their life has some fantastical obsolete notion about the UK living still in a world where we didn't need diplomacy, we had gunboats.

                Madness.
                Alan A. Shaw
                Designer, owner
                Harbeth Audio UK

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                • Oh dear... this is not going to plan ....

                  Theresa May loses Brexit deal vote by majority of 230....MPs vote down EU withdrawal agreement in resounding defeat for prime minister.

                  Theresa May has sustained the heaviest parliamentary defeat of any British prime minister in the democratic era after MPs rejected her Brexit deal by a resounding majority of 230. The prime minister immediately announced that she would welcome a vote of no confidence in her own government, and would make time for it on Wednesday.

                  Corbyn told MPs: “This is a catastrophic defeat. The house has delivered its verdict on her deal. Delay and denial has reached the end of the line.”

                  May said if she survived the vote – which appeared likely, after the Democratic Unionist party said it would back her – she would hold cross-party meetings with senior parliamentarians “to identify what would be required to secure the backing of the house”.

                  Brexit-supporting Conservatives joined with opposition parties and the DUP to trounce the government in the “meaningful vote”, which the prime minister delayed before Christmas in the vain hope of winning over waverers.
                  Here.

                  Gulp. Whatever next?
                  Alan A. Shaw
                  Designer, owner
                  Harbeth Audio UK

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                  • After this staggering defeat for May, our country is left lost and adrift... But such are these extraordinary times, that is not even the most significant story from tonight. What matters more than the fate of this government or this prime minister is the fate of the country and its decision to leave the European Union, which is now suspended in a state of limbo if not purgatory.

                    The law says Britain will leave the EU in 70-odd days. Yet tonight it has rejected the only firm exit path that exists. It means that, unless something changes and MPs can reach an agreement with each other, Britain will crash out of the EU on 29 March without a deal –an outcome all but the most wild-eyed Brexiteers regard as an economic and social catastrophe for these islands.

                    The question everyone wants answered is what happens now.
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                    Alan A. Shaw
                    Designer, owner
                    Harbeth Audio UK

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                    • Kevin O'Rourke is one of the world's top economic historians. Here is his history of Brexit: https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...orourke-review

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                      • Nothing to add to this discussion about this utter mess except it is the most coherently argued thread for remaining I have read anywhere. Book recommendations good enough for me to order on spec. Thank you.

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                        • What nobody looked at is the russian element of all of that. I think that you are the second victim of the information war against western civilcation.. First the installment of Trump second of causing UK to leave EU. I'm very såd about all that. Borne is 52 I was very hopeful that our continent would be united in peace. Now our children and grandchildren will inheretid a much uneasera state. I'm very much concerend.

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