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"This Harbeth User Group (HUG) is the Manufacturer's own managed forum dedicated to natural sound from microphone to ear, achievable by recognising and controlling the numerous confounding variables that exist along the audio chain. The Harbeth designer's objective is to make loudspeakers that contribute little of themselves to the music passing through them.

Identifying system components for their sonic neutrality should logically proceed from the interpretation and analysis of their technical, objective performance. Deviations from a flat frequency response at any point along the signal chain from microphone to ear is likely to give an audible sonic personality to the system at your ear; this includes the significant contribution of the listening room itself. To accurately reproduce the recorded sound as Harbeth speakers are designed to do, you would be best advised to select system components (sources, electronics, cables and so on) that do not color the sound before it reaches the speakers.

For example, the design of and interaction between the hifi amplifier and its speaker load can and will alter the sound balance of what you hear. This may or may not be what you wish to achieve, but any deviation from a flat response is a step away from a truly neutral system. HUG has extensively discussed amplifiers and the methods for seeking the most objectively neutral among a plethora of product choices.

HUG specialises in making complex technical matters simple to understand, getting at the repeatable facts in a post-truth environment where objectivity is increasingly ridiculed. With our heritage of natural sound and pragmatic design, HUG is not the best place to discuss non-Harbeth audio components selected, knowingly or not, to introduce a significantly personalised system sound. For that you should do your own research and above all, make the effort to visit an Authorised Dealer and listen to your music at your loudness on your loudspeakers through the various offerings there. There is really no on-line substitute for time invested in a dealer's showroom because 'tuning' your system to taste is such a highly personal matter. Our overall objective here is to empower readers to make the factually best procurement decisions in the interests of lifelike music at home.

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If some of the science behind faithfully reproducing the sound intended by the composer, score, conductor and musicians over Harbeth speakers is your thing, this forum has been helping with that since 2006. If you just want to share your opinions and photos with others then the unrelated Harbeth Speakers Facebook page http://bit.ly/2FEgoAy may be for you. Either way, welcome to the world of Harbeth!"


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  • Theresa May dashes to Strasbourg in bid for Brexit compromise. PM to meet Juncker as Merkel says a ‘very important offer’ has been made to Britain...

    Theresa May has made an 11th-hour dash to meet EU leaders in Strasbourg as the government insisted the meaningful vote on her Brexit deal would go ahead on Tuesday as planned. May will meet Jean-Claude Juncker in a final bid to find a Brexit compromise late on Monday, after a phone call with the European commission president earlier in the day.

    Ambassadors for the 27 EU member states were told at a briefing on Monday that the negotiations had become more combative. One source at the table said if the UK was choosing the impossible, it was choosing no deal. It was, however, disclosed that the prime minister had been ready to strike a deal on Sunday with Juncker but that she was overruled by her cabinet. Diplomats were told that talks at the weekend had gone “up and down, up and then sadly down again”, according to one source, leading to plans for a visit by the prime minister on Monday morning to be ditched

    The EU has rejected proposals by the attorney general, Geoffrey Cox, that would construct something close to a unilateral exit mechanism from the Irish backstop but leaders were on Monday keen to talk up the offer they had made, and avoid another delay to the meaningful vote. The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, said that Brussels made a “very important offer” during the weekend’s talks. “I think that a very important offer has been made to Britain and now it’s up to Britain to respond to these offers,” she told reporters in Berlin.

    The deal proposed by Michel Barnier included a joint interpretative statement that would add legal force to previous assurances the EU would make maximum effort to find alternatives to the backstop. The UK and the EU will also make unilateral statements about the temporary nature of the backstop, with the British government likely to lean on revised legal advice from Cox.

    The commission’s secretary general, Martin Selmayr, warned the EU ambassadors, however, that the situation in London was fluid and that the chances of a general election had increased in recent days. He said that the safest delay to Brexit would be up to 23 May, ensuring that elections to the European parliament would not create complications.

    He added, however, that the EU may have to offer the UK a long extension of article 50 should May’s government fall.
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    Alan A. Shaw
    Designer, owner
    Harbeth Audio UK

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    • Brexit deal vote: What do I need to know?

      On Tuesday (Tomorow 12 March 2019) MPs will pass their verdict on Prime Minister Theresa May's plan to take Britain out of the European Union on 29 March. Here is what you need to know about the vote.

      When will the vote be held?

      Tomorrow evening, after a full day of debate. We won't know the exact time until the government announces it. What are MPs voting on?

      They are passing judgement on the deal Theresa May spent two years negotiating with the European Union.Why is the vote important?

      This is the big one. If MPs vote the deal down, one of two things is likely to happen.

      The UK will either leave the EU on 29 March without a withdrawal agreement - or that departure date will be delayed.

      If they back the deal, the UK will leave the EU on 29 March but things will stay broadly as they are until December 2020, while the two sides thrash out a permanent trade deal. Haven't MPs already rejected May's exit plan?

      Yes - and by a massive margin.

      So what has changed?

      We don't know yet. Government ministers are trying to persuade the European Union to make changes to the deal to make it more acceptable to the MPs who voted against it in January.

      They are expected to come back with new proposals before Tuesday's vote. It remains to be seen whether these will be anything more than minor tweaks to the existing agreement. What happens if MPs reject the deal again?


      If, as many expect, MPs vote down Mrs May's withdrawal agreement on Tuesday, then MPs have been promised a vote on whether the UK should leave without a deal or not.

      This is likely to take place on Wednesday.

      If they back a no-deal Brexit in this vote, then the UK will leave without a deal on 29 March. If they reject a no-deal Brexit then they could get a vote on Thursday on whether to request a delay to Brexit from the EU.

      Will that be the final vote before Brexit?

      Not necessarily.

      If Mrs May loses the vote on Tuesday by a narrow margin, she could ask the EU for a short technical delay to allow everyone to regroup and make one last push to get it "over the line".

      Mrs May could make that final push at the next EU summit on 22 March, with another Commons vote to follow, assuming she can get a delay to Brexit.
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      Alan A. Shaw
      Designer, owner
      Harbeth Audio UK

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      • Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal for a second time...

        Theresa May's EU withdrawal deal has been rejected by MPs by an overwhelming majority for a second time, with just 17 days to go to Brexit.
        MPs voted down the prime minister's deal by 149 - a smaller margin than when they rejected it in January.

        Mrs May said MPs will now get a vote on whether the UK should leave the EU without a deal and, if that fails, on whether Brexit should be delayed. She said Tory MPs will get a free vote on a no-deal Brexit.
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        It was fascinating to watch on BBC tv. On to the next act of rejecting no deal. Since that is highly likely to happen, what is the next act after that?

        Postponement may seem like a good idea but for what purpose? To postpone the implosion of the Conservative party or to give Corbyn his chance to both leave and become prime minister? Time for a second referendum.

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        • Originally posted by willem View Post
          [Time for a second referendum.
          I agree, but I see Theresa May's point here as well. If you're going to have a second, why not a third? A fourth? Where does it end? One thing is certain: unless the result is crushingly decisive, there will simply be prolonged social division. That is why a referendum is a dangerous political tool that should never have been resorted to in the first place.

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          • Summary... (13 March 2019)
            • MPs have rejected the UK leaving the EU without a deal by 321 to 278 votes
            • The government's original motion only ruled out leaving without a deal on 29 March
            • The government motion was changed after MPs voted for an amendment put forward by Yvette Cooper after its sponsor pulled out
            • MPs voted down another amendment - known as the Malthouse Compromise - calling for a delay to Brexit from 29 March to 22 May to give time to leave without a deal
            • The PM's withdrawal agreement was defeated in the Commons by 149 votes on Tuesday
            • Jeremy Corbyn has again called for a general election
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            Alan A. Shaw
            Designer, owner
            Harbeth Audio UK

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            • Email sent by AS to Harbeth UK's local MP, Sir Nicholas Soames, 11 March 2019:

              Dear Sir Nicholas,

              I wish to place on record that employing 12 people in Lindfield, exporting 90% or our production globally and some xx% to Europe, decisions taken by proxy over the next few days will not only determine my plans for this company, but, more important, for my granddaughters future. We paid this year alone, £xxx,xxx in corporation tax, in addition to payroll tax and NI, and brought in to this local economy £x million pounds from our two units on Enterprise Park. If our export potential is frustrated we will have no option to downsize appropriate to the reduced scale of business creating local unemployment and to further investigate the relocation of our entire operation to Europe.

              I have never believed in anything other than integration with Europe. Unusually for a for-profit enterprise, we have run a Brexit thread on our public User Group to reassure our European customers that at least we here at Harbeth live in the real world. I fear terribly for the economic and social consequences of an obsolete Little Britain in a fast changing and dangerous world.

              Please think very carefully about the votes that you will make on my behalf over the next days. I repeat: nothing short of remaining in Europe and playing a full 'top table' role is good enough for this country and my business, and you more than anyone will be fully aware of that.

              Best regards,

              Alan Shaw

              Managing Director
              Harbeth Audio Ltd.
              Lindfield.
              He confirmed receipt.

              Subsequently, at the vote yesterday evening on exiting the EU without a deal (a catastrophic situation), I note that he voted against his colleagues in the Conservative govenment, and against leaving without a deal.

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              Thank you Sir Nicholas.
              Alan A. Shaw
              Designer, owner
              Harbeth Audio UK

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              • https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.cd8dc44bcb7b

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                • "Put it to the People" - Sat. 23 March 2019

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                  Website here.

                  My wife and I have booked train tickets into London. We'll be there doing our bit to resuce our granddchildren's future.

                  If anyone here on HUG is also planning to go - let's meet up for a swift half!

                  Alan A. Shaw
                  Designer, owner
                  Harbeth Audio UK

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                  • Theresa May pleads for delay to Brexit as EU stands firm. Brussels wants election or second referendum.

                    Theresa May will ask the EU to delay Brexit today amid warnings from Brussels that the price of an extension could be a general election or second referendum.

                    Cabinet ministers are expecting the prime minister to ask for the Brexit deadline to be pushed back to June 30 with the option of requesting a longer delay left open.

                    Mrs May will then travel to Brussels tomorrow with little to offer the 27 other EU countries, all of which must agree to any postponement. By law Britain will leave the EU with or without a deal in nine days’ time.
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                    Alan A. Shaw
                    Designer, owner
                    Harbeth Audio UK

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                    • Originally posted by A.S. View Post
                      "Put it to the People" - Sat. 23 March 2019

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                      Website here.

                      My wife and I have booked train tickets into London. We'll be there doing our bit to resuce our granddchildren's future.

                      If anyone here on HUG is also planning to go - let's meet up for a swift half!
                      I'll be in town, trust you're coming to Victoria then Bond Street on the tube. St Christopher's Place is a nice place to meet.
                      https://www.stchristophersplace.com/eat-drink/

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                      • Revoke Article 50 petition: 850,000 people demand UK remains in EU as Theresa May begs for Brexit delay...

                        More than 850,000 people have signed a petition demanding Article 50 is revoked as Theresa May was forced to beg EU leaders for a delay to Brexit. An influx of people jumped to sign it following a night of political chaos as the Prime Minister turned on MPs in an impassioned speech to the nation on Wednesday night. The 100,000-signature threshold for the petition to be debated in Parliament was quickly surpassed and the phrase "revoke Article 50" became a global trend on Twitter.

                        Just before midnight on Wednesday, the petition had received 300,000 signatures. It continued to build throughout the early hours on Thursday, and by 12.45pm it had amassed 850,000 signatures. The website for the petition briefly appeared to have crashed shortly after 9am - showing only an error message but was later reinstated.

                        The petition read: “The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. “We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.”
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                        Two more names added.
                        Alan A. Shaw
                        Designer, owner
                        Harbeth Audio UK

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                        • Quite amazing .... the 'Revoke Article 50' petition counter is here.

                          Just look how fast people are registering. The total count auto-updates every ten seconds or so.

                          As at 13:44, 21 March 2019 it stands at 922095 votes.

                          Interesting to view this as a map, here.

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                          Two hours later, votes stand at: 1,052,597
                          Alan A. Shaw
                          Designer, owner
                          Harbeth Audio UK

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                          • I was really keen to see the map but the system is well and truly overburdened.

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                            • Ten hours later, the overload crash has been sorted and the figure now stands at: 2,002,343

                              Interesting to keep an eye on the votes from the region I have arrowed in blue. Observing and change in feeling toward Brexit in that region, given the likely loss of the Nissan plant and terrible local economic consequences, may be an indicator of a national change of heart. or not.


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                              This region of England, known as the North East, has suffered economically as the UK has deindustrialised. The Nissan car factory is located there, and by far the most important employer. Despite that, the referendum results from 2016 showed the North East to be heavily in favour of exiting the EU, despite, of course, the Nissan car factory primarily supplying Europe not the much smaller and they say irrelevant, UK market.

                              Now look sentiment in the North East as reflected in their referendum result:

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                              Alan A. Shaw
                              Designer, owner
                              Harbeth Audio UK

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                              • I looked at the map and most of the constituencies with the highest proportion of respondents were the front bench constituencies of Corbyn, Starmer, Thornberry and Abbott in their North London aristo-Stalinist enclave. Other than Starmer, all Brexiteers dead against any new vote or Art. 50 revocation.

                                Other hotspots are Caroline Flint in Brighton and Thangam Debonnaire in Bristol.

                                Sent a PM the other day re tomorrow.

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