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Harbeth M30.1 in a really small room?

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    Harbeth M30.1 in a really small room?

    I have a nr.2 stereo-system in a small room of 2,5 x 4,0 meter. I am now considering to upgrade from Rogers LS3/5A to Harbeth M30.1. Will M30.1 be too big for this small room and give a boomy bass?

    {Moderator's comment: that is not a really small room as far as we are concerned! That's considerably bigger than a typical UK "back bedroom" which plays a part in the design of smaller Harbeth speakers}

  • davidbea
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    I'm going to look at a pair of Harbeth M30.1s on Monday. Besides anticipating their us in my moderate to large size second floor garage studio I'm wondering if they could be used to replace my Celestion SL600s in my dining room listening room. The garage only has a small space heater and winter will be a challenge. The dining room 10'4" x 18'. I would like to place them where the Celestions are currently.
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  • FrankMS
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    I will get an apartment in a different city and will use the 30.1's there. Since I haven't chosen the apartment yet, It occurs to me to ask which kind of room works best for them. That could govern my choice...

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  • willem
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    It is an excellent question even if the answer is harder. At the small end of the spectrum it depends on your allergy for bass boom (i.e. room modes), and at the large end it depends on your penchant for playing dynamic music at more realistic levels. If the speaker is too small for that, it will not quite fill the room, and you will miss the bass extension that you expect in such a large room. Fortunately, a subwoofer will solve much of this problem if, for example, you move to a house with a bigger listening room than before.
    I use my P3ESRs in my 18 sq m study, and they are perfect for that. I would not want to use anything bigger in a really small room (but I strongly dislike room modes). For the sake of the experiment I also tried them in my rather larger (40+20 sq m) lounge, and even though they sounded fine, they did not fill the room (but it was a pretty extreme case, of course). Adding a good subwoofer changed this, even though in a room of that size the M30.1 would have been the better combination with the sub. So basically, I think a speaker like the M30.1 is perfect in anything other than the very smallest or largest rooms. What size are we talking about?

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  • hifi_dave
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    Originally posted by FrankMS View Post
    What is the optimal size room for the 30.1?

    F.
    What have you got ?

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  • FrankMS
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    What is the optimal size room for the 30.1?

    F.

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  • kerouack
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    I suppose is not the same a long small room like a thin rectangle and listening relatively far from the speakers (lot of sound reflexions) tan much bigger rectangle, not thin and listening near the speakers (a lot less reflecxions).

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  • hifi_dave
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    M30.1 - fine

    The M30.1 will work well in that room.

    If you have any doubts at all, your Harbeth retailer should be able to loan you a pair.

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  • willem
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    Big enough

    18-26 sq m is certainly big enough to do justice to the M30.1.

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  • mirekti
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    Best for my new room?

    Originally posted by willem View Post
    I honestly do not think the vinyl was the issue. 2.5 x 4m really is very small, and in my experience better served by small speakers like the LS3/5a or the P3ESR. Room modes can sound very unpleasant. I have LS3/5a's in my 16 sq m study, and even there I would think very hard before replacing them with something bigger.
    I am soon to move to a new apartment (not decided which yet) and the living room there will most likely be between 18-26 sq meters, ceilings at 2.50-2.70. Would you think this is a good match for 30.1?

    I plan on setting the speakers 1m from side walls, some 80cm from the front wall meassured from the back of the speaker and on a stand only 50cm tall (prefer to listen in semi laying postion on my sofa). There will be a thick carpet on the floor so I hope the height won't be too much of the problem. I do dislike the boomy bass, and would rather miss some low fq than have the boominess, yet being opinion P3SER alike will be too small for the mentione room.

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  • kerouack
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    My room improvable?

    I am in similar situation, have Harbeth Monitor 20 in a 2,8 X 5,3 metres (2,8 meters tall) non decicated room. Was thinking about upgrading to RADIAL cone and at the same time getting bigger ones (dont want to upgrade to RADIAL now, and to bigger ones in two years ), like the 30.1. But i am always thinking that may be my room is too small for bigger speakers.

    A few days ago i went to a hifi shop and listened to big speakers and, in that great and bigger than mine room, sound was amazing and big, problem is, may be we need more a big room with good acoutics, than better speakers. The thing is if we can improve sound in our room or not.

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  • Bananajack
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    Harbeth 3/5as

    Just some comments about LS3/5a's ... the differences between manufacturers and also versions are very audible (in my best time I owned 8 pairs plus a "new" Rogers. And the Rogers itself do sound imho not up to standard ... get a Harbeth pair, you will be surprised (I myself kept one biwiring Harbeth pair and a stone old Spendor pair with very early serial numbers).

    For small rooms still an excellent solution, but I admit I never tried P3ESRs here. As my new M30.1 just arrived, I will try them out in the small room in the next weeks and will give a comment about this.

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  • willem
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    Room modes after all in small room?

    I honestly do not think the vinyl was the issue. 2.5 x 4m really is very small, and in my experience better served by small speakers like the LS3/5a or the P3ESR. Room modes can sound very unpleasant. I have LS3/5a's in my 16 sq m study, and even there I would think very hard before replacing them with something bigger.

    For many years the LS3/5a was a remarkable speaker (I bought them in 1990 from the late Thomas Heinitz), and the only quality option in a really small room, but it has now been overtaken: as soon as my budget allows I will trade them for P3ESR's.
    Willem
    Last edited by willem; 06-01-2014, 07:25 PM. Reason: typo

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  • DSRANCE
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    A vinyl issue not a speaker one?

    If you use vinyl only, I'm not surprised at your findings in all honesty, as treble dynamics are hardly a vinyl strong point. This, coupled with a tendency to thicken bass frequencies (it takes a VERY dedicated vinyl setup to minimise this), may well have given you this impression. Such a shame.

    If vinyl is the only source (I don't know what you use), then a leaner-toned and 'crisper' style of speaker may well be better for you. I can think of a few UK made models from NEAT and Kudos to name but two and these have a far more 'assertive' and 'energetic' character rather different from Harbeths and are well liked in vinyl circles.....

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    Too much bass?

    Originally posted by ccyork View Post
    Hi Ketil,

    How did the M30.1 work out for you?
    Hi.
    At first I found they had too much bass, but after a while I thought/hoped this was coused by some problem with my vinyl set up. Anyway; I have now realized that M30.1 is not the right speakers for me and they are sold. At the moment I'm back on Rogers LS3/5A ...

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