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Feb. 2018
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The Harbeth experience - now I understand "hi-fi"

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  • The Harbeth experience - now I understand "hi-fi"

    I picked up my P3ESRs this weekend. Got them back home last night after hours of driving and ferries, and have just been fooling around with setting them up. I was completely blown away demoing these speakers a few weeks ago, but having them playing in my space is absolutely jaw-dropping. Even with minimal room treatments for listening (blanket on glass coffee table, towel on flatscreen) and a cold amp that has been unplugged for a week – straight out of the box these speakers gobsmacked not only me, but my girlfriend as well. She kept coming to sit down and couldn't stop smiling while we listened to Etta James – At Last, (Argo LPS-4003, Speakers Corner 180g remaster). I just kept laughing out loud at the stereo imaging, these little monitors completely disappeared and were throwing soundstage waaaay past their boxes.
    I'll definitely be posting more as they break-in, and I get them positioned and sort the room and cabling, but I mean, really.
    Whoa.
    These speakers completely change everything about the way I hear music now. It's like a new understanding of what hifi really means.

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  • #2
    Welcome...

    Nice, you finally got 'em. Your early impressions are all a listener can ask for in a new pair of speakers...

    BTW, they're already broken in - enjoy!

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    • #3
      Amazing P3ESRs

      Cheers Cornelius!
      They really are an amazing speaker, I'm putting together an order for more LPs as I write this

      Thanks again Alan!

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      • #4
        The HUG - I've found music

        Right on Rafe! Nothing can replace my P3's - the last couple of years my experience with Harbeth has been twofold - one, sitting down with my speakers at home and two, checking in on the forum to learn something new from Alan. I don't know of another designer in audio who contributes to a forum as Alan does - his time is much appreciated here. His insights have saved me a lot of time, anguish and money ... For one I've been off of the merry-go-round as they say, as far as a speaker to own, but also Alan's years of professional experience in other matters (amplifiers, cables, DACs) have been an eye opener.

        You're in a good place

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        • #5
          Kindred friendship in this group

          Hey Cornelius,

          Couldn't agree more on your points. I'm off the speaker upgrade path thanks to Alan and his work.

          What I'm looking forward to most now when it comes to my hifi is listening to the music while I relax in my home with my family around me (or on my own with a tumbler of something Irish in hand). Listening to my P3s I can close my eyes and truly believe that the musicians I'm listening to are in the room with me. A feat no other speaker has ever achieved for my ears and mind (except the M40.1, the only other Harbeth I have extended experience with).

          These forums are a trove of knowledge and kinship the surface of which I've barely scratched, and I look forward most evenings (especially since the Harbeth's arrived) to settling in listening to Billie Holiday (or Miles, Coltrane, Grant Green, Horace Parlan... you get the picture) and leisurely reading through posts while the rain pours outside and darkness envelops my home (I'm in Vancouver, British Columbia, so the fall/winter weather is quite conducive to settling in with a good read and tunes!).

          Thanks again to Alan and all those who contribute to making ownership of Harbeth speakers something truly special.

          Originally posted by cornelius View Post
          Right on Rafe! Nothing can replace my P3's - the last couple of years my experience with Harbeth has been twofold - one, sitting down with my speakers at home and two, checking in on the forum to learn something new from Alan. I don't know of another designer in audio who contributes to a forum as Alan does - his time is much appreciated here. His insights have saved me a lot of time, anguish and money ... For one I've been off of the merry-go-round as they say, as far as a speaker to own, but also Alan's years of professional experience in other matters (amplifiers, cables, DACs) have been an eye opener.

          You're in a good place

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          • #6
            Soaring sound of P3

            Took delivery of a new amp two weeks ago – Sonneteer Campion – and it has elevated my hi fi experience to new highs, I've never had such a quality sound in my home before.
            I know discussion of amps and their impact on Harbeths is frowned upon in some aspects here, but I just cannot keep my experience of pairing these two amazing, UK handbuilt-hifi works of art to myself.
            Feeding my new P3ESRs I cannot believe what a huge difference/impact this amplification upgrade has delivered.
            I just keep pouring the amp's modest power (44W into 6 ohms) into the speakers and they respond like birds to a breeze – simply taking off and soaring to new heights. This speaker becomes an entirely different beast with prodigious amounts of quality power being fed into it. I've been playing the P3s at modest volume levels since I bought them a month ago, but with the new amp the dial has crept ever farther 'round the volume pot and I'm gobsmacked at the outright authority of the mids, lower-mids and real, honest-to-God bass they are capable of delivering – with the right recordings – never mind the startling clarity and tonal rightness and honesty of the highs.
            The Sonneteer has a unique volume pot, with peak output occurring around the 5 o'clock position on the dial, and it is this aspect of the Campion that helped the P3s became an entirely even more amazing speaker.
            The soundstage becomes huge, with incredible bass depth and breadth when they get fed power. The more I turn it up (obviously great recordings make an enormous difference here), the more adroitly the P3s respond.
            I would describe the sound, even at very loud SPLs, as effortless.
            No horn/ woodwind strains or trailing-edge tearing, no midrange string or percussion/snare smears, no bass/drum muddying: crystal-clear piano and cymbals that hang in mid-air as if you could grab the notes from in front of your nose.
            And all this at what I thought previously were unattainable volume levels, plus add-in that it was completely fatigue-free listening after more than two hours of playing everything from jazz, folk and rock to electronica.
            To sum it up, these speakers rock.
            I love them.
            The Sonneteer and Harbeth match, to my ears, is a truly synergistic, and ultimately, incredibly complimentary pairing.

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            • #7
              Led Zepp on P3s

              Give them a workout….play Led Zeppelins-"since i been loving you"..…notice how long that annoying Bonzo squeak lasts through the whole song…only on these baby's.

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              • #8
                Squeak, squeak

                Bonzo's pedal 'squeak' is audible on many speakers, but only annoying on bad ones ;)

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