Dear ST,Dear Adnan,
When you said “Vocals through a horn or a cave” I think you are saying the vocals are sometimes too far at the back compared to other speakers. Am I correct to say that? I did experience similar effect when I bought my S5HL. Now, I have solved the issue.
From the Harbeth knowledge base you will find different characteristics of loudspeakers. I may be wrong but I think most of today’s loudspeakers were deliberately made “'Pinched', 'pushed', 'shouting', 'colored' type which on first listening may sound attractive. They are unnatural and can become fatiguing.
I noticed that you have a big room, and it is very possible that you have placed the Harbeth M40 too wide apart. I made the same mistake with my Super 5. Try making the speakers closer, and you would notice that the vocal presentation is more forward than placing the loudspeakers too far apart. Alternatively, you can use my somewhat unorthodox method of listening to vocals through one loudspeaker only and see if they have the quality I am looking for. Trust me, Harbeth will give the most accurate representation. In short, they don't lie as I discovered just yesterday the thunder sound in a track I am very familiar with was actually man made sound, maybe made by hitting a oil drum or flapping a large metal plate to sound like a thunder.
If I may suggest, you may want to consider the newer and better Harbeth. The M40.1 would be nice or even the S5HL.
That makes a sense, thank you...Hi, I heard as follow:
- 1st gen m40 (tuning ports below woofer) and m40.1 in a same room with different source and amps,
Both sound excellence with solid presence healthy vocal imaging.
- m40.1 in a user house
Same as above, solid mid and presence vocal.
- 2nd gen m40 (tuning ports in between woofer and radial mid driver) side by side with SHL5, M30 and P3ES2 with same source and amps
M40 sound most presence, solid and effortless from top to bottom with wonderful vocal and midrange presence.
The vocal presentation is source or album dependence. If the recording mid or vocal is forward, m40's mid will sound forward, if laid back, m40's mid will sound laid back. You can try to listen the album you tested on m40 by using a headphone if you hear any artefact echo sound.
In the end matter is resolved: the CD transport goes out of phase and now vocals come from a cave all the time (regardless of the speaker and the other system components). I think I couldn't understand whats happening, since it was occuring occasionally then. I'm sorry for any inconvenience....vocals that sounded as if "... singing through a horn shape pipe or from a cave"...
Dear hifi_dave,The M40.1 is tight, clean, fast and punchy with all the amps I have used with them. I doubt you will have any reservations about their performance at all.
However, I would advise you try the ARC and other amps before you buy. The M40.1 is quite an easy load and you might not need such an expensive amp to produce good sounds.
When I was new at photograpy hobby, I was trying to find out the optics which gives sharp images, vivid colors etc., then I have realised that composition and the light is more important to get a good image. Probably I'm looking at wrong directions for listening music at the moment... what do you (as a long term user) think a newbie should look for when choosing amp and source for M40.1?There are distinct differences between the amps, not as much as with speakers but there are characteristics you should hear.
If you want richness and warmth, I would suggest the more expensive Sugdens and Naim plus the Rega Osiris if that is in your budget. If you can, you should compare these with whatever else is available to you, using the M40.1's as the speakers.
I already made some reserve regarding the "poor" bass that the Sugden A21al provided with my SHL5 at home. I tested that unit few weeks ago. You can find the post on the HUG.... A21 series of Sugden through M40.1 in my room?...