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Harbeth Monitor 40.1 specific

Jmohd

New member
Spacers

Spacers

Fosse,

It's a good combo, the speaker stand with the Soundcare footers. I would suggest that you put spacers between the speaker and the stand top.

I'm using the Soundcare High End (Gold) footers + metal speaker stand + spacer (felt) on the stand top + SHL-5 with very good effect.
 

tmokbel

Member
Japanese marketing?

Japanese marketing?

Hello Alan.

Something struck me the other day as I was looking through my Japanese father-in-law's collection of Stereo Sound magazine (he has a copy of every issue published since the first one in the late 1960's). Why isn't the Harbeth M40 / M40.1 sold in the Japanese market? The Japanese music lovers seem to love small monitors and huge horn monitors with 15inch drivers in small rooms.

With many house's in Japan made of tatami and wood, I would have thought the M40.1 with its 12 inch bass driver and low frequency response would work well in those rooms where the low frequency would just escape out of the tatami and shoji paper windows.
 

EricW

Active member
Japanese room construction

Japanese room construction

Hello Alan.

Something struck me the other day as I was looking through my Japanese father-in-law's collection of Stereo Sound magazine (he has a copy of every issue published since the first one in the late 1960's). Why isn't the Harbeth M40 / M40.1 sold in the Japanese market? The Japanese music lovers seem to love small monitors and huge horn monitors with 15inch drivers in small rooms.

With many house's in Japan made of tatami and wood, I would have thought the M40.1 with its 12 inch bass driver and low frequency response would work well in those rooms where the low frequency would just escape out of the tatami and shoji paper windows.
Having lived in Japan for three years, in different places (and having also seen a number of domestic environments other than my own), I suspect there are a number of reasons, but I don't doubt the main one is simply lack of space.

There may be a few legendary audiophiles who have ancient Tannoys or Altec-Lansing horns or whatever, but I guarantee you the overall number is very small. Not only are Japanese living quarters generally quite cramped, they are often also multifunctional - traditionally, futons and bedding are put away during the day and laid out on the living room tatami floor at night (maybe not for more modern construction or larger houses, but there are many traditional dwellings where that's still done). Hard to do that with a large and relatively immovable pair of speakers in the way.

Also, tatami is lovely flooring to walk on but it's only an inch or so thick, maybe an inch and a half - that's not going to soak up much bass. Neither is shoji, which is not used for exterior windows (those are glass) but is sometimes found in sliding dividers between rooms. It's just paper, and will absorb no bass at all.
 

tmokbel

Member
More on Japan

More on Japan

There may be a few legendary audiophiles who have ancient Tannoys or Altec-Lansing horns or whatever, but I guarantee you the overall number is very small. Not only are Japanese living quarters generally quite cramped, they are often also multifunctional...Hard to do that with a large and relatively immovable pair of speakers in the way. ...Also, tatami is lovely flooring to walk on but it's only an inch or so thick, maybe an inch and a half - that's not going to soak up much bass. Neither is shoji, which is not used for exterior windows (those are glass) but is sometimes found in sliding dividers between rooms. It's just paper, and will absorb no bass at all.
Thanks or the clarification and further insight into Japanese dwelling EricW.

I guess when you have a Japanese audio magazine that always has a section every issue devoted to 'owners systems at home', it would easy to think such big horn speakers are commonplace in Japanese homes, but I see what you mean. With over 130 million people, the Japanese audio hobbyist doesn't blip on the radar at all especially ones with huge speakers given the reasons you've mention about typically tight living spaces in Japan.

I can see now why the Japanese audiophile cherishes a speaker like the P3ESR or Compact 7 that are easy to setup and install, don't get in the way of their traditional living spaces and at the same time give the beautiful and wide sound stage they love
 

A.S.

Administrator
Staff member
The reality of selling

The reality of selling

Did you know that Sugano san, the editor of Stereo Sound magazine uses three pairs of Compact 7ES3 at his home, which he considers to be the ultimate speaker system on which he has judged, for many years, the world's audio electronics brought to him for review? I think that is perhaps the one greatest testament to the Harbeth brand, when he could have any speakers, made anywhere, regardless of size. It was a career high point for me when he told me.

Harbeth's internal business structure is fundamentally different from any other business I am aware of. Here at HQ, we do not have any one individual who you could call a salesman or sales manager or even marketing manager. We have never asked for an order - ever - and to have such an individual on the payroll just so that we could say we had a sales dept. would be money down the drain. We are in the fantastically lucky position (thanks to you, our customers) of letting the sales process take care of itself. Bulk orders come in from around the world almost every day from distributors who have convinced themselves that they need stock, with no cajoling whatever from us. In strict sequence, we add those orders to the back of the production queue (about 6 months at the moment) and in time, we make them and ship them. Almost all distributors are sufficiently well organised that they place rolling orders so that every month they have fresh stock arriving from Harbeth UK to sell, enough in their warehouse until the next delivery, and so it goes on.

It follows from that that we are, in marketing speak, 'order-takers' not 'order-getters' and that's exactly how I want to run this business. If somebody believes that Harbeth products are right for them and steps forward, we are delighted to supply. To have applied some coercion, surely part of the normal sales process, in my opinion devalues the product and turns what is a carefully designed and carefully made craft product into a commodity. And that just does not feel right to me. So we just stand back and fortuitously sales just happen.

Incidentally, we've just concluded our 37th year on 31 March, and sales are up 9.6% on last year, making it another record year. What was interesting to note is that that sales of some models have doubled in that time. A year or two ago, I'd have willingly shared the specifics here with you, but we are now at a stage in our development where we have to be a little more circumspect with that sort of information. I really regret that. What I can say is that in addition to Eric's well considered contribution about the reality of Japanese listening spaces, we have to trust our distributors (who as good business people exist to satisfy a demand) to know what products best suite their local market. Sometimes it is intuitive here at HQ. Sometimes it is quite surprisingly counter-intuitive, but whatever the distributor decides is the right product (and indeed, the right price after considering margin, transport, import duty, insurance, currency fluctuations etc.) is their decision and theirs alone.

P.S. It's amazing how rumors start. At every 31st March we stop production and count every single piece part to reconcile our computer inventory balances with the actual count. It takes several days to count about 800 stock lines during which, as pre-planned, there is no production. A caller mentioned today that he'd heard from a normally sober source that there a sinister reason why we were doing our (annual) inventory check. Audited accounts (which is unheard of at this size of business) mandate formal, randomly supervised, inventory counting and gives me the comfort that the systems and checks and balances we believe that we have we really do have, and that should highly reassuring to our customers. We're a proper, serious business and plan to be around for a long, long time!
 

Ned Mast

Member
Sugano san

Sugano san

Thank you for sharing this look into your business, Alan. And it is most impressive that Sugano san is using your Compact 7ES3s as his reference speakers!
Edward
 

A.S.

Administrator
Staff member
Thank you for sharing this look into your business, Alan. And it is most impressive that Sugano san is using your Compact 7ES3s as his reference speakers! Edward
I'll try and remember where the very nice quote from Sugano san is, when he settled upon the C7ES3. From memory, and rather poignantly, he said something to the effect that 'I have decided that the Harbeth C7ES3's are my final speaker systems...'.

For a man of his stature (and means) to select the C7ES3s from amongst thousands of potential candidates is gratifying. Even more telling, perhaps, for an industry that has its particular norms, is that he paid the full price.
 

mpedris

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Comfort zone

Comfort zone

Audited accounts (which is unheard of at this size of business) mandate formal, randomly supervised, inventory counting and gives me the comfort that the systems and checks and balances we believe that we have we really do have, and that should highly reassuring to our customers. We're a proper, serious business and plan to be around for a long, long time!
Mr. Shaw,

Not that I had ANY doubts whatsoever of the longevity of your company, but this bit right here is extremely comforting to hear. Thank you for the post. These kinds of "behind-the-scenes" accounts of the company and its practices are always interesting to read about.
 

tmokbel

Member
An honor

An honor

Did you know that Sugano san, the editor of Stereo Sound magazine uses three pairs of Compact 7ES3 at his home, which he considers to be the ultimate speaker system on which he has judged, for many years, the world's audio electronics brought to him for review? I think that is perhaps the one greatest testament to the Harbeth brand, when he could have any speakers, made anywhere, regardless of size. It was a career high point for me when he told me.

...in addition to Eric's well considered contribution about the reality of Japanese listening spaces, we have to trust our distributors (who as good business people exist to satisfy a demand) to know what products best suite their local market. Sometimes it is intuitive here at HQ. Sometimes it is quite surprisingly counter-intuitive, but whatever the distributor decides is the right product (and indeed, the right price after considering margin, transport, import duty, insurance, currency fluctuations etc.) is their decision and theirs alone.
What an absolute honor that is Alan. An honor to have someone so respected, so revered like Sugano-san deciding that Harbeth's (three pairs!!) will be his speaker. I can only imagine that high point for you, but also, the sense of responsibility you felt to maintain that same standard for years to come in the eyes of a market that does not suffer fools nor warms to anything that they cannot trust. Reading your post, I felt a sudden sense of pride of ownership with my Harbeth's.
 

Fosse

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The benefits of adequate power

The benefits of adequate power

This winter I have tested both the Rogue Apollo Black and Joule Electra with the 40.1. Ended up swapping the Graafs and Hovland for Joule Electra pre and power.

The 40.1 benefit from from more power. The Apollos are recommended AS well. I have read somewhere that people have used the 40.1 with Leben CS600. That didn't work here. Not enough power.
 

Jmohd

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Cs600

Cs600

Hi Fosse, I have CS600 driving the M40.1.
Here is the link
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frisqo

New member
For M40.1 ....

For M40.1 ....

hi guys.
I have a little question. I hopefully will buy me a pair harbeth m40.1 soon (next week) and wonder if my Accuphase E470 amplifier will be enough to drive these speakers?

and another question.
has anyone a clue of what type of cables that sits between crossover to the speakers?

thanks for the help
//francisco
 

elviejo

New member
Room size?

Room size?

hi guys.
I have a little question. I hopefully will buy me a pair harbeth m40.1 soon (next week) and wonder if my Accuphase E470 amplifier will be enough to drive these speakers?

and another question.
has anyone a clue of what type of cables that sits between crossover to the speakers?
//francisco

You have not mentioned the size of the room you will be utilizing, or the type of music you usually enjoy. That said, I'd guess that with 180 wpc you should be fine, unless you are in an exceptionally large room and like music at ear damaging volumes.
 

frisqo

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You have not mentioned the size of the room you will be utilizing, or the type of music you usually enjoy. That said, I'd guess that with 180 wpc you should be fine, unless you are in an exceptionally large room and like music at ear damaging volumes.
Sorry.
its quiet a small room. 4x6m the speakers on the longside.. i listen 2 jazz and minimalistic electro (most of the time) i have the focal utopia altos now and im sitting 2.4-2.8m from them
 

elviejo

New member
Perfect!

Perfect!

Sorry.
its quiet a small room. 4x6m the speakers on the longside.. i listen 2 jazz and minimalistic electro (most of the time) i have the focal utopia altos now and im sitting 2.4-2.8m from them
I think you will be VERY happy! Are you buying them "previously owned"??
 

grannyring

New member
M40.1 wide apart?

M40.1 wide apart?

I am hoping some 40.1 owners can help me with a question. I am moving to a new home and will be forced to have the speakers 12.5 feet apart from center of woofer. I have never had these speakers this far apart and wonder if it will work well.

I realize I can toe them in, but still question it. Any of you heard the 40.1 this far apart. I will sit some 12 feet back from the front plane of the speakers also.
 

frisqo

New member
Trading in Focals

Trading in Focals

I think you will be VERY happy! Are you buying them "previously owned"??
yes i am. im buying "Fosses" old pair :) ..
just need to sell my Focal Utopias (got a buyer now, hoping 2 close a deal soon)
 

miniboxca

New member
Regarding 40.1 bass issue, It is basic a non issue for me. I have them just under 2 years. My room is not treated, 4m*5m room. Only few times I experience booming bass, I stop playing after few seconds. I suspect my 85w music fidelity a3 integrated amp clipped. Amp is about 15 year old. I am not really sure. Otherwise music is fantastic even with my inexpensive amp. Just update amp to Bryston 4b sst2 300w to 8. Sounds fantastic.
 
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